RMS pulls a serious power move (read: dick move), unilaterally appointing a maintainer to Guile without consulting the other co-maintainers or community, because the current co-maintainers disagree with him on governance https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2019-10/msg00005.html
It's also worth reading @dthompson's followup here https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2019-10/msg00007.html
David's experience is also mine; there's a reason I dropped my association as a "GNU hacker", which used to be the way I identified myself for some time.
For many people, I'm sure these things seem to be shocking, as if all of this is happening at once. I'm shocked by how fast things have devolved, but not the way they are, because I already saw and tried to change for years how bad it was until I gave up.
And since I've followed all the drama around #RMS' mail and I've seen how a crowd of people lynched him for what he SAID, I can't say I'm shocked by this reaction from Andy.
I've read his words before and I see how he is trying to profit as much as possible from the shitstorm that is on #Stallman right now.
I noticed you are with Andy.
That's why I replied to @cwebber
I don't know #RMS personally and I disagree with him on MANY MANY things. Even when we talk about #FreeSoftware I think he is too moderate (and I'm a catholic Christian so you might guess by yourselves on how many other things I deeply disagree with him! 😉).
But the arguments of Andy are poor. As the arguments of the crowd that got is head at #FSF.
Andy joined the crowd that lynched #Stallman for what he WROTE (conveniently misreading it, to be precise).
If you know that Stallman did any crime towards women, you have only ONE thing to do: denounce him and provide evidence to the police.
Each day you delay his trial is a day more you are accomplices of his crimes.
I'm very serious on this.
There is nothing else to do when you face a crime.
If RMS did any crime, denounce him.
Otherwise, please, stop this.
You misapply the term "lynch" for what happened to rms. I hope you're aware enough of the last 50 years of US racial oppression that I don't have to be more verbose, but we can have that educational discussion if you'd like.
It's not accurate to state that rms merely spoke and those words are what he's seeing the consequences of. Rather, he's behaved in ways that are a misuse of power, for decades. His recent active defense of indefensible positions and individuals is merely the latest and most visible of those. All he had to do to avoid this current outcry was to heed the warnings of the many people who tried to counsel him. I've read personal accounts by at least 3 people who repeatedly told rms that his choices to act (including choosing to weigh in on discussions outside the purview of his work, using his position of social power due to the importance of GNU), was harmful to free software. 1/2
@Shamar @dthompson @cwebber
... rms chose to continue his crusades and thereby alienated dozens of folks, needlessly, who would otherwise have been productive members of the free software community.
It's the damage that rms has done over decades, through his speech and his direct actions, despite being counseled by folks he should have respected, that has led to this consequence of rms being removed from his positions of power.
Accountability for one's own actions is if anything the opposite of lynching.
The difference between consequences and lynching
@Shamar let's focus just on this point, because your overly emotional response to the situation makes it important that we have a shared understanding of what the words mean. It's ok to be emotional, we all are! And many tech dudes don't have a lot of experience dealing with our own emotions so you don't need to feel bad if it's clouding your judgement!
Lynching is the action of a powerful group killing a member of a disadvantaged group merely to extend their domination, not because of any actual misdeed of the opressed person. In the movie O Brother Where Art Thou, the blameless young black kid is nearly lynched by the KKK. They grab him and are about to hang him (avoiding a spoiler here, it's a great movie.)
Consequences are when bad things happen to people as a result of their actions. In the movie one of the characters who's sympathetic at the beginning reveals himself to be awful in the end, and gets run out of town on a rail. Consequences.
Why RMS was actually lynched.
I think you misunderstood my words: I'm not a RMS fanboy and I'd have to ask you to not project the issues of the tech culture of #US over me: I'm from #Italy and I'm very good at dealing with my emotions! 😉
But my analysis of what happened is just political.
Let's break your arguments into three blocks:
1. lynching is killing
2. it's lynching only if the victim is without fault
3. it's lynching only if it's the action of a powerful group
Let my now debunk each of these arguments.
As I said it's not a physical lynching as the people who joined the mob were way more cowards than the cowards of KKK.
It was a cybernetic lynching.
As for what #RMS actually did, he wrote a mail to a mailing list expressing his own opinion on a matter. A careful read of that mail shows that all the outrage that followed was misdirected: of all the disgusting opinions of RMS over years, this is NOT the worst.
He didn't defended Epstein or rape or anything like that.
Yet, I don't think that the consequences of something RMS (or me, or you, or anybody else) wrote should be a public international cybernetic lynching.
If you say that RMS deserved it anyway, you are just negating him universal human rights. In particular article 18, 19 and 12.
I guess that if he was from any of the minorities that fill US people remorse (women, people of color, lgbt+ and so on), you would never argue that one of them deserve to be lynched for what they said! You would say (correctly) that they deserve a due process IF they did any crime.
And indeed, if he did any crime, he should processed FOR IT (with all people who covered him), not lynched for something else.
Now, even if RMS is not a saint (and he is not), and even if RMS can be considered a powerful man he actually belong to an oppressed minority, just not one of the one people feel remorse for: he is a #hacker. His weirdness does not help #mainstream people to empathize with him, so that a pretty reasonable person like you might forget to consider he IS a human being with universal rights like any other.
And this led us to 3.
When something irrational and bad occurs in Italy, we are used to ask ourselves "cui prodest?", "who benefit from what happened?".
To whom RMS was a pain in the ass? Fine, to many. 🤣
But who had the #Power to mount an international lynching like this without the mob even realizing they were violation the universal human rights of RMS?
And do you know what is funny?
Those naive (dumb?) heroes (cowards?) that joined the mob with their digital forks and pitches, will never accept of being naive cowards and they will try as hard as possible to rationalize and morally justify what happened.
"Because he deserved it!" I can hear you.
Guess what? He didn't.
Not for THAT mail.
Nor for any crime he did, because he deserve jail, if he did any crime.
But RMS is an easy prey.
He is weird, after all.
And US passion for #inclusiveness doesn't include hackers.
If you were in the mob, please, open your eyes.
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